Latest RFQs: Global "fabric table linen" Importers and Buyers

I would like to require some samples for linen fabric for Pijamas

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Hemant Address: Mammolhainer Weg 14, Tanus, Konigstein im, Germany Country: Germany Email: lo******s@ja***i.com Mobile: 091-******6932 Buying Products: Yarns, fabric, table Linen, Bed Linen, Terry Towel Import Country: Germany. [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Buy Tropical Home WaresTropical and Nautical motif furnishing fabrics, table linen, bedding, towels, gifts, soaps, candles, fabric, bathmats, rugs, homewares, lampstands, any tropical or nautical theme home wares

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Looking for approximately 300 chair covers and sashes. Approximately 60 table cloths and damask (black on white) satin table runners. table cloths, damask table runners, chair covers fabric, table linens

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: *******@*****.com Mobile: 351-0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile needles, crochet needle [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

I am interested to purchase bedding items for hotels (wholesale) different categoriesplace of ortgin Turkey Indiafabric cotton, cotton poliester from 200 to 400 tc 160 - 180 - 240 cm width bedding fabric, table linen, hotels hotel textiles,home texti [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

Name: Andre Address: Rua da Republica, 47-61, Coimbra, Figueira da Foz, Portugal Country: Portugal Email: ge**l@jo***************o.pt Mobile: 351-******0258 Buying Products: needle sewing machine, pins, accessories pactwork, scissors, chalk, textile [...]

I am looking for company to supply Print fabric. We need it in Yemen. Please provide USD 3.620742 per Yards price for Print fabric. Need supplier from China. We require 1200 Yards initially and the buying frequency will be 6 Months. [...]

We require Tulle fabric making machine. We want shipment in Australia. We need a USD 6000 per Sets price for Tulle fabric making machine. Prefer to import from China. Our order will be of 3 Sets initially and if terms are good, we will order Quarterl [...]

I am looking for Looking For Customized frozen whole chicken aluminum foil bag. Our destination port is Philippines. Should be USD 1.366923 per Meters price for Looking For Customized frozen whole chicken aluminum foil bag. Expecting quotes from sell [...]

Any company who can provide Looking For Cotton Omasum Offals Interlock Knit Fabric fot Dress. Our required destination is United Kingdom. Any one offering USD 3 per Meters price for Looking For Cotton Omasum Offals Interlock Knit Fabric fot Dress. Ne [...]

Want to purchase Looking For Fabric Strength Tester Machine. Import location will be United Kingdom. Need 86000 per Sets price for bulk orders for Looking For Fabric Strength Tester Machine. We will choose sellers from China. We require 1 Sets initia [...]

Looking for supply of Looking For Garment Fabric Roller. Need to import in Cambodia. Any one offering USD 2400 per Sets price for Looking For Garment Fabric Roller. We will choose sellers from China. We need approx 1 Sets initially and the order will [...]

Any company who can provide Looking For Fully Automatc Fabric Rolling Machine. Our shipment location is South Africa. Any one offering USD 2500 per Sets price for Looking For Fully Automatc Fabric Rolling Machine. Need to pick suppliers in China. We [...]

Required Good quality Looking For Fabric Rolling Machine. Our destination port is Romania. Should be USD 2400 per Sets price for Looking For Fabric Rolling Machine. Our preferred supplier is from China. We need approx 1 Sets initially and the order f [...]

I need company to supply Looking For Garment Fabric Roller. I will be importing it to Australia. Looking forward for USD 2400 per Sets price for Looking For Garment Fabric Roller. Our preferred selection is from China. Our order will be of 1 Sets in [...]

I Want to buy Scissor Lift Table. I will be importing it to Canada. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. We need from Taiwan. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and we buy this 6 Months. [...]

Need to purchase Scissor Lifting Tables. Need suppliers who can ship to India. Should be USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lifting Tables. Need to pick suppliers in Malaysia. Our order will be of 1 Sets initially and we often buy Yearly. [...]

I want supply of Scissor Lift Tables. Can you ship it to Canada. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Scissor Lift Tables. Our preferred sourcing location is Taiwan. We want to import nearly 1 Sets initially and we buy this 6 Months. [...]

I need company to supply JLG Scissor Lift. Need to import in Australia. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for JLG Scissor Lift. We are more interested to buy from Japan. Will buy approximately 1 Sets initially and we often buy 6 Months. [...]

Need supplier who can provide Automobile Industry Scissor Lift. We want shipment in Canada. Our expected price is USD Ask Buyer per Sets, Please quote your best price for Automobile Industry Scissor Lift. We are more interested to buy from China. We wan [...]

Looking for supplier who can provide Daedalus Scissor Lift. We want shipment in Canada. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Daedalus Scissor Lift. We will choose sellers from India. If prices are good, We will place order of 2 Sets initial [...]

Need supplier who can provide Movable Scissor Lift Table. We are importing in France. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Movable Scissor Lift Table. Our preference is companies in Malaysia. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and we [...]

Want to buy Double Scissor Lift. Need suppliers who can ship to India. Looking for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Double Scissor Lift. We are more interested to buy from Malaysia. We want 1 Sets initially and we will place order Yearly. [...]

Anyone selling Scissor Lift Table. We need it in France. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. Our preference is companies in Japan. Will buy approximately 1 Sets initially and we buy this Quarterly. [...]

I need company to supply Mobile Scissor Lift. I will be importing it to Canada. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Mobile Scissor Lift. Our preference is companies in Japan. If prices are good, We will place order of 1 Sets initially and the [...]

I am looking for Multi Scissors Lift. Import location will be India. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Multi Scissors Lift. We need from China. Quantity to import is 1 Sets initially and we require this product Yearly. [...]

Looking to purchase Mobile Scissor Lift. Need suppliers who can ship to United Kingdom. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Mobile Scissor Lift. Need to pick suppliers in China. If prices are good, We will place order of 1 Sets initially a [...]

Need Scissor Lift. I will import this to United Kingdom. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift. Any supplier from India. We require 1 Sets initially and the buying frequency will be Yearly.

Looking to buy Scissor Hydraulic Lifting Table. Import location will be Pakistan. Looking for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Hydraulic Lifting Table. Prefer to import from Taiwan. We require 3 Sets initially and we require this product On Time [...]

I need company to supply Scissor Lift Table. Want suppliers who can export to Canada. Should be USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. We are more interested to buy from Japan. If prices are good, We will place order of 1 Sets initially an [...]

Want to purchase Movable Scissor Lift. Can you ship it to United Kingdom. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Movable Scissor Lift. Expecting quotes from sellers in Japan. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and the order will [...]

I Want to buy Scissor Lifts. Need suppliers who can ship to India. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lifts. Our preferred selection is from India. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and we buy this Yearly. [...]

need to buy Hydraulic Scissor Lift Platform. Can you ship it to France. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hydraulic Scissor Lift Platform. Looking for suppliers from Turkey. Will buy approximately 1 Sets initially and the order will be 6 Months [...]

We require Hydraulic Lift Table. Our required destination is France. Looking for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hydraulic Lift Table. Our preferred selection is from Turkey. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and the order frequency is O [...]

Looking to purchase Hydraulic Lift Scissor Table. Our shipment location is Canada. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hydraulic Lift Scissor Table. We need from Japan. Our order will be of 1 Sets initially and we will place order 6 Months [...]

We require Scissor Lift. Need shipment of these in France. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift. Need quotation from suppliers from Japan. The order size is 1 Sets initially and we usually import On Time. [...]

Looking to purchase Scissor Lift Table. I will be importing it to France. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. Looking for suppliers from China. We require 1 Sets initially and we buy this product On Time. [...]

Looking for supplier who can provide Scissor Lift Tables. Our shipment location is United Kingdom. Please provide USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Tables. Need quotation from suppliers from India. The order size is 1 Sets initially and we r [...]

I Want to purchase Scissors Lift Tables. We want shipment in Canada. Our expected price is USD Ask Buyer per Sets, Please quote your best price for Scissors Lift Tables. Prefer to import from India. We want to import nearly 1 Sets initially and we will [...]

I Want to buy Hydraulic Lift Scissor Table. Need suppliers who can ship to Malaysia. Looking forward for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hydraulic Lift Scissor Table. Need to pick suppliers in China. We require 3 Sets initially and we buy this Yearly. [...]

Want to buy Scissor Lift Table. Our destination port is United States. Any one offering USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. Our preference is companies in India. Will buy approximately 2 Sets initially and we require this product On Tim [...]

Need Pit Mounted Hydraulic Scissor Lift. Can you ship it to Australia. Please provide USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Pit Mounted Hydraulic Scissor Lift. We need from China. Our order will be of 1 Sets initially and we buy this product Yearly. [...]

Looking to buy Scissor Lift Table. Our shipment location is France. Should be USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift Table. Need supplier from Taiwan. Quantity to import is 1 Sets initially and we will place order Yearly. [...]

I am looking for company to supply Scissor Lifts. Need to get this in Pakistan. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Scissor Lifts. Prefer to import from Russian Federation. Our order quantity is 3 Sets initially and the order will be 6 Mon [...]

Any company selling Pit Mounted Scissor Lift. Our shipment location is Canada. Please provide USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Pit Mounted Scissor Lift. Need quotation from suppliers from Malaysia. Will buy approximately 1 Sets initially and we buy this [...]

I require Hydraulic Scissor Lift. Need shipment of these in Malaysia. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Hydraulic Scissor Lift. Need to pick suppliers in Taiwan. We want 3 Sets initially and we buy this 6 Months. [...]

Want supplier who can provide Scissor Lift. Our destination port is Australia. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift. Our preference is companies in Japan. The quantity we need to buy is 1 Sets initially and we require this product [...]

Required Good quality SS Industrial Scissor Lift. We want shipment in Canada. We need a USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for SS Industrial Scissor Lift. Need supplier from India. We need approx 1 Sets initially and we often buy Yearly. [...]

Need to purchase Lift Table. Our required destination is Canada. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Lift Table. Our preferred supplier is from China. Our order will be of 2 Sets initially and we require this product On Time. [...]

Need supplier who can provide SS Hydraulic Scissor Lift. Import location will be Canada. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for SS Hydraulic Scissor Lift. We need from India. We need approx 1 Sets initially and the buying frequency will be 6 Months. [...]

Looking for supplier who can provide Hi Rise Movable Hydraulic Scissor Lifting Machine. Want suppliers who can export to Malaysia. Expecting USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hi Rise Movable Hydraulic Scissor Lifting Machine. Need to pick suppliers in Tu [...]

In need for Hydraulic Scissors Lift Table. Our required destination is France. In search of USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Hydraulic Scissors Lift Table. Our preferred selection is from India. We want to import nearly 1 Sets initially and we buy this [...]

Looking to buy Hydraulic Scissors Lift Table. Need to import in Canada. Our expected price is USD Ask Buyer per Sets, Please quote your best price for Hydraulic Scissors Lift Table. Expecting quotes from sellers in Taiwan. Will buy approximately 2 Sets [...]

Buy Scissor Lift. I will import this to Canada. Looking for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Scissor Lift. Need quotes from suppliers of India. The order size is 1 Sets initially and the buying frequency will be Quarterly. [...]

Required Good quality Mobile Scissor Lift Table. We need it in Canada. Looking for USD Ask Buyer per Sets price for Mobile Scissor Lift Table. Any supplier from Taiwan. We want 1 Sets initially and if terms are good, we will order 6 Months. [...]

I Want to purchase Scissor Lift. I will be importing it to United Kingdom. Need Ask Buyer per Sets price for bulk orders for Scissor Lift. Our preferred sourcing location is Japan. If prices are good, We will place order of 1 Sets initially and the ord [...]